和HOA過招要有錢有閑,不然就從了吧。這個4萬的案子才值得上法庭,當然他們自己的花費不知多少

来源: kamrans 2019-08-27 06:08:09 [] [博客] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (3409 bytes)

https://wtop.com/loudoun-county/2019/08/how-a-loudoun-co-familys-year-round-holiday-lights-sparked-a-lawsuit/

這家印度人住在百萬豪宅區,居然在自家門口點燈HOA也要管。HOA的律師費是住戶的HOA費買的法律保險支付的。和HOA打官司是自己花錢和自己打官司。這個案子已經打到了州高法,現在州高法判HOA輸,但是不一定結束。沒錢你還真沒法和HOA斗。但是有錢有閑,HOA就是一坨屎,一幫以爲自己什麽都可以管的混蛋。

After a homeowners association in Loudoun County, Virginia, initially fined and successfully sued a family for keeping its exterior holiday lights up throughout the year, Virginia’s Supreme Court has now overturned the HOA’s lawsuit victory.

In 2018, Loudoun County Circuit Judge Jeanette Irby had ruled in favor of the Belmont Glen Homeowners Association in its suit against SanJay and Sona Sainani for violating the HOA’s seasonal guidelines on the use of holiday decorations.

In ruling for the HOA, Irby found the Sainanis’ “lights were on 24/7” for “at least 300 days a year” in violation of the seasonal guidelines that prohibited leaving lights on after midnight and displaying lights outside of the permitted holiday periods. The guidelines permitted lighting for Halloween, Thanksgiving, winter holidays and the Fourth of July.

Between 2013 and 2016, the Sainanis received multiple violation letters from the HOA for their use of holiday lighting. The family displayed a string of lights on both their front door and on their back-deck railing in celebration of several Hindu, Sindhi and Sikh religious holidays throughout the year.

In its arguments, the HOA said it had broad latitude to “preserve and enhance property values and to maintain harmonious relationships among structures and the natural vegetation and topography.”

The Belmont Glen neighborhood, in Ashburn, Virginia, contains single-family homes with values around $1 million, according to online realtor listings.

On Monday, Virginia’s highest court ruled that the HOA’s seasonal guidelines were unenforceable and overturned Irby’s decision, which awarded the homeowners association $884 in fines and more than $39,000 in attorney fees and costs.

The court said the HOA’s restrictive covenants didn’t adequately specify the conditions in which the lights would be against the rules.

“We reject the HOA’s assertions that it has the ‘broad’ authority to adopt such design-control rules and that it has the implied power to regulate the aesthetics of individually-owned lots,” wrote Justice D. Arthur Kelsey in Monday’s opinion.

The case has been remanded, and it’s unclear whether the homeowners association will take further action.

 

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和HOA打赢了也还是赔!我们邻居告HOA耗时几年赢了,但赔偿费全部摊到HOA管理费由各家分摊! -Maomaodi- 给 Maomaodi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 06:20:00

我小区也有这个规定,挺好的 -hz82000- 给 hz82000 发送悄悄话 hz82000 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 06:20:01

有一年的春节是在一月份,邻居把圣诞灯留着想过完春节再折,一纸警告就来了。但是先警告说你不拆他就派人来拆你付费。这还蛮合理的。但那 -Maomaodi- 给 Maomaodi 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 06:27:00

您这辈子跟HOA干上了。能写点开心的么。 -borisg- 给 borisg 发送悄悄话 borisg 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 06:36:11

好呀好呀 -kamrans- 给 kamrans 发送悄悄话 kamrans 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 06:49:18

HOA 是没事找事。 -keeplooking- 给 keeplooking 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 07:43:36

所以不是说管不到,仅仅说规章没有写清楚。还是印度人敢打架,换了我早就怂了。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 08:32:01

所以和HOA斗不应该上法庭,而是应该在内部斗,有足够的时间和钱,联络邻居,把管理层换掉就好了 -tz2000- 给 tz2000 发送悄悄话 tz2000 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 09:01:33

为啥喜欢买有HOA这把枷锁的房子? -小徐徐- 给 小徐徐 发送悄悄话 小徐徐 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 09:07:54

老印就是有种,特为自己发声。堂堂正正上法庭据理力争,这也是老印在美国混的好的原因吧。 -爱吃肉的胖子- 给 爱吃肉的胖子 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 09:22:33

这应该和老印的国家制度有关? -hhtt- 给 hhtt 发送悄悄话 hhtt 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 10:07:46

更重要的是家里夫妻两个都有种,中国夫妻不得为这个吵翻天了。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 10:10:11

老印威武! -keeplooking- 给 keeplooking 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 11:13:44

州高法推翻以前hoa赢的判决,那老印夫妻得到了什么呢,hoa不赔老印律师费吗? -爱吃肉的胖子- 给 爱吃肉的胖子 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 10:00:33

得到了圣诞灯全年挂的权利,然后明年HOA修宪,2/3户主投赞成票,后年就不能挂全年了。 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 柠檬椰子汁 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 10:42:44

得到了在自己家挂燈的自由。證明以爲HOA什麽都可以做的人是一幫二 逼 -kamrans- 给 kamrans 发送悄悄话 kamrans 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/27/2019 postreply 10:52:51

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