APAD:a friend in need is a friend indeed

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a friend in need is a friend indeed

Etymology:

The idea that false friends will abandon a person in times of adversity while true friends will reveal themselves and provide help is ancient: the Greek playwright Euripides (c. 480 – c. 406 BC) wrote in Hecuba (424 BC); and English translation as“it is in trouble's hour that the good most clearly show their friendship; though prosperity by itself in every case finds friends”

But beside the above etymological cognition, the literal wording of "a friend in need is a friend indeed" can lead to ambiguities.

Is it 'a friend (when you are) in need' or 'a friend (who is) in need'? If the former, then the phrase means: 'someone who helps you when you are in need is a true friend'. If the latter, it is 'someone who needs your help becomes especially friendly in order to obtain it'.

So, that gives us the follow options:

1. A friend, (when you are) in need, is indeed a true friend. ('indeed')
2. A friend, (who is) in need, is ('indeed') inclined to stress their frienship in order to obtain your help.

For us? Using No. 1 with a straight-face,  and using both with LOL.

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患难见真友。赞一个!没有见过第二种解释。觉得这句话里 in need的人和 friend 应该是两个人。 -最西边的岛上- 给 最西边的岛上 发送悄悄话 最西边的岛上 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 06:39:43

Ambiguity is of linguistic fantasy; should b strictly banned -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 06:47:26

4 air traffic ctrl. -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 06:50:00

Agreed. -最西边的岛上- 给 最西边的岛上 发送悄悄话 最西边的岛上 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 06:58:46

Same here. Haven't seen the 2nd till today. -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 08:52:51

and until today, there was no ambiguity for me :-) -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 08:57:11

Actually there r 4 options, I dropped 2 seemed more obvious -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 09:07:08

Please keep those two done :-) -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 09:08:37

The others try 2 distort "indeed" which made less sense 2 me -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 09:34:03

I meant "down" :-)) And thank you! -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 10:07:14

这句好像是我上学时学到的第一句英语谚语。亲切。有时候患难中因为种种不得已原因没有出手相助的,也不一定就不是真正朋友。 -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 07:34:56

是两个朋友遇到熊的故事~~~ -遍野- 给 遍野 发送悄悄话 遍野 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 07:50:01

The one I heard was about a race :-) -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 08:58:51

+1 grizzly is fast as deer, agile as cat. Never run from him -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 09:02:31

as long as I am faster than the friend -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 09:03:49

噗,楼上3位。。haha -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 13:07:48

完全同意。出手帮助的应该是真盆友,一时没出手的盆友各有苦衷(比如比需要银子的人更穷),但会在别的需要时出手相助的。 -最西边的岛上- 给 最西边的岛上 发送悄悄话 最西边的岛上 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 08:08:18

拉手!:) -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 13:08:19

说的是,对朋友的期望越低越会appreciate他们任何援助之手。 -暖冬cool夏- 给 暖冬cool夏 发送悄悄话 暖冬cool夏 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 10:15:29

不能同意更多啦!白天居然漏看了这个回帖。我这都什么眼神呀。勿怪呀。:) -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 18:53:18

Keep your friends close; keep your enemies closer. -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 08:55:03

but keep them (enemies) in a different "container" ;-) -最西边的岛上- 给 最西边的岛上 发送悄悄话 最西边的岛上 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 10:49:50

So they can't diss our dinner :-) -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 11:13:30

Sun Tzu created it but gained in the movie "The Godfather 2" -TJKCB- 给 TJKCB 发送悄悄话 TJKCB 的博客首页 (520 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 20:31:53

TGF2 is exactly where I first saw it. Sun Tzu was a surprise -7grizzly- 给 7grizzly 发送悄悄话 7grizzly 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 20:52:22

第二种太功利了。需不需要都是朋友的才是真朋友的最高境界~ -妖妖灵- 给 妖妖灵 发送悄悄话 妖妖灵 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 14:22:20

wouldn't be good to know the dark side of the Moon? -移花接木- 给 移花接木 发送悄悄话 移花接木 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/09/2024 postreply 05:23:37

我接着說-,,現在(其實一直都有)-似乎有種"精緻的利己主義者-"", -青松站- 给 青松站 发送悄悄话 青松站 的博客首页 (122 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 14:35:02

第一次见到第二种解释,interesting. 另:事急从权古已有之,舍身取义毕竟是极少数现象,所以人们特别珍贵而赞扬 -方外居士- 给 方外居士 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 01/08/2024 postreply 20:26:28

同意!:) -盈盈一笑间- 给 盈盈一笑间 发送悄悄话 盈盈一笑间 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 01/09/2024 postreply 13:18:35

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