我们会被当枪使吗?

来源: GarlicBoyMom 2017-08-04 16:26:46 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (18960 bytes)

https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/asian-american-students-harvard-turned-194323913.html

为了避免被认为为白人争夺利益,T政府要调查,很可能用亚裔,特别是华裔的例子。
那我们不就是枪靶子了吗。

看下面评论很有意思,绝大多数都反对AA,而且都认为大学录取就应该用merit为标
准,就是学校成绩,标准考试等。而这里反对用成绩做标准比普通美国人多多了。
也是很奇特。

Asian-American students Harvard turned down are at the center of the next big fight over affirmative action

Abby Jackson
 
Harvard University Admissions Financial Aid Office Campus Student

(The groups say it's harder for Asian-American students to get into college.Glen Cooper/Getty Images) 
In 2016 the US Supreme Court ruled in favor of affirmative action at the University of Texas-Austin (UT), further validating the use of race in admissions policies around the country.

The efforts of opponents of affirmative action were temporarily stymied, but they have reemerged with a lawsuit against Harvard University claiming the school discriminates against Asian-Americans, The New York Times reported.

An anti-affirmative action group called Students for Fair Admissions filed a lawsuit against Harvard in 2015, alleging that the college and other Ivy League institutions use racial quotas to admit students to the detriment of more qualified Asian-American applicants. The group includes a coalition of more than 60 Asian-American groups.

"It falls afoul of our most basic civil rights principles, and those principles are that your race and your ethnicity should not be something to be used to harm you in life nor help you in life," Edward Blum, the president of Students for Fair Admissions, told The Times.

Blum is the same figure who helped to bring the landmark University of Texas-Austin case to the Supreme Court.

The suit against Harvard claims Asian-American applicants are held to a higher standard than others and must achieve, for example, higher test scores to be accepted.

Michael Wang, an Asian-American recent college graduate, relates to those claims. He was ranked second in his class and graduated with a 4.67 weighted GPA. He scored a 2230 on his SAT, placing him in the 99th percentile of students who took the exam.

When he applied in 2013, Wang suspected that his race might work against him. But he was still shocked when he received rejection letters from Stanford and every Ivy League school except for the University of Pennsylvania.

"There was nothing humanly possible I could do," Wang told Business Insider in 2016, adding that he felt utterly demoralized after his rejections.

The Department of Justice confirmed it has begun seeking volunteers to investigate the Harvard complaint, an indication that they may be starting an investigation.

That may mean that the case is aimed for the Supreme Court, and may wage the next war in the fight over the use of race in admissions policies.

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是当枪使 -tibuko- 给 tibuko 发送悄悄话 tibuko 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 16:45:11

我觉得legacy也应该从录取中剃出。本来家里就已经有advantage了,不应该再锦上添花。 -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:01:36

legacy是对学校有益,不是对考生有益。而对学校有益的事情,要学校放弃是不大容易的:) --百科-- 给 -百科- 发送悄悄话 -百科- 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:17:56

这个比较根深蒂固,不过legacy对一般校友好像作用越来越小 -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (134 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:52:02

当然了,但不这样,华人的苦又有谁知道? --百科-- 给 -百科- 发送悄悄话 -百科- 的博客首页 (32 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:17:00

好像只能这样了 -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:50:08

我觉得应该这样比较公平: -加州阳光123- 给 加州阳光123 发送悄悄话 加州阳光123 的博客首页 (660 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:24:46

这不跟国内差不多了, 你觉得国内公平么 -孵蛋妈- 给 孵蛋妈 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:43:07

很公平啊。 比美国人认为的只考虑成绩宽松很多了 -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:49:40

相对来说,国内高考蛮公平的。 -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:50:19

这个应该是目前最公平的制度, -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (142 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:53:24

那各省的cutoff不一样咋说?其实和美国的各族裔内部排名录取是一样的。两江兩湖上不了线的比偏远地区好学校分还高。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:04:01

地域差异美国一样。 -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:07:24

是,美国P的NJ学生那么多,HY东北部的学生那么多。。。一样的。 -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:11:38

和国内有点区别的。譬如最后一条, -加州阳光123- 给 加州阳光123 发送悄悄话 加州阳光123 的博客首页 (837 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 17:52:51

这个那穷人家的孩子就真是输在起跑线了。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:01:11

Why? -加州阳光123- 给 加州阳光123 发送悄悄话 加州阳光123 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:01:50

一样啊,他们哪有时间金钱高EC啊参加比赛啊。 -Rockeymountain- 给 Rockeymountain 发送悄悄话 Rockeymountain 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:04:58

苯娃咋办? -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (98 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:09:35

家长也要适当调整期望值, 不能只想着娶林志玲。 : ) -加州阳光123- 给 加州阳光123 发送悄悄话 加州阳光123 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:32:06

这个太不公平了 -GarlicBoyMom- 给 GarlicBoyMom 发送悄悄话 (32 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:41:24

可以通过义工打工加分啊, 所以才只限20分啊。现在 -加州阳光123- 给 加州阳光123 发送悄悄话 加州阳光123 的博客首页 (66 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:12:53

给穷孩子也加点分! -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:12:15

给穷孩子也加点分! -N.- 给 N. 发送悄悄话 N. 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 18:12:16

就你这观点华人能出头吗?我看华人有种的都站出来,这事只有好处没有坏处 -warara- 给 warara 发送悄悄话 warara 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 20:03:47

就算被当枪使也是一个机会让大家认识问题,比被忽略强 -Lionkingmom- 给 Lionkingmom 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 20:17:59

当枪使怎么了,不应该站出来么? -mvh- 给 mvh 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/04/2017 postreply 21:03:55

Trump的一切政策都是white American first -yangcen- 给 yangcen 发送悄悄话 (774 bytes) () 08/05/2017 postreply 08:38:53

明眼人 -sexygirl- 给 sexygirl 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/06/2017 postreply 10:44:03

就算是被当枪使,也比连当枪的资格都没有要来得好些 -wzhcad- 给 wzhcad 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/05/2017 postreply 12:34:17

又要人支持又怕被利用,互相利用才能达到利益最大化。不能什么好事都咱们得了。 -思龙- 给 思龙 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 08/05/2017 postreply 21:21:03

最好的是向犹太人一样,把我们混入最大的族群中,不能单独列出来,单独列出来什么好事都没有,现在做枪也得做了 -novtim2- 给 novtim2 发送悄悄话 (536 bytes) () 08/06/2017 postreply 09:59:06

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