总有朋友喜欢拿华盛顿韩战纪念碑上数字作为佐证,可惜上面数字有错误,被极大夸大。五角大楼已于2000年6月做出更正

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Death Miscount Etched Into History

 

President Clinton and veterans from across the nation will gather in somber remembrance this afternoon at the Korean War Veterans Memorial, where it is carved into stone that 54,246 Americans died in the war that began 50 years ago today.

For decades, the number has been enshrined in almanacs, histories, memories and monuments, cited as proof of the war's cost. But nearly one-third of those deaths--17,730--occurred elsewhere, often half a world away from Korea, in places ranging from the United States to Germany. The actual number of Americans killed in the Korean War theater of operations is 36,516, the Pentagon acknowledged this month.

"If you were walking down the street in Washington, D.C., and were hit by a car, you'd be considered a casualty of the Korean War," said Burt Hagelin, a Korean War veteran who helped uncover the mystery.

 

The error was blamed on an anonymous government clerk who in the 1950s mistakenly added all noncombat deaths worldwide to the total, and the correction was credited to revised reporting procedures, according to news accounts reporting the Pentagon's clarification. That is not the real story, according to veterans and others who have pushed for years to correct the number.

"Fifty years later, they're trying to drop it all on one clerk," said Richard Kolb, publisher of VFW Magazine, a Veterans of Foreign Wars publication that several times has urged the number be corrected. "They had the facts all along. Now they're acting like it's a new revelation."

Some Pentagon officials have for years considered the 54,000 figure inflated, and they believed before the memorial was dedicated in 1995 that engraving that number in black granite would be misleading, according to interviews. But at the insistence of the veterans committee that oversaw the memorial's construction, the figure was used.

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不管原因,纪念碑上的54246阵亡数字包含了在半岛之外全球其它地方死亡的17672人 (Non-theater Death),见 -硅谷一水滴- 给 硅谷一水滴 发送悄悄话 (344482 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:39:15

这张表格更真实 -硅谷一水滴- 给 硅谷一水滴 发送悄悄话 (407102 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:40:42

老美自己的数据从来就没准过。 -dallas01- 给 dallas01 发送悄悄话 dallas01 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:23:57

比咱们中国的准。中国和平时期3年大饥荒的死亡人数都没有可信的官方数字。 -欲千北- 给 欲千北 发送悄悄话 欲千北 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:35:14

那天跟围城开玩笑,说泄气,其实真荒谬的是中国否定当年与美国打仗的,根本与否定红军对抗纳粹一样荒谬……、、 -青松站- 给 青松站 发送悄悄话 青松站 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 12:29:37

那个老生12连网上编造的镜泊湖抗日故事都当史料的人,就原谅他吧 -laomian123- 给 laomian123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:51:05

既然 -老生常谈12- 给 老生常谈12 发送悄悄话 老生常谈12 的博客首页 (3936 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:06:27

看来阁下不仅不懂尊重女性,人品也差,喜欢搜集黑材料。 -硅谷一水滴- 给 硅谷一水滴 发送悄悄话 (116 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:38:10

3 -老生常谈12- 给 老生常谈12 发送悄悄话 老生常谈12 的博客首页 (1471 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:39:38

算了,老生前辈,在这个台岛铁了心台独的年代,民主灯塔可以扭曲任何数字,扯上大跃进文革已经是客气的了…… -青松站- 给 青松站 发送悄悄话 青松站 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 11:01:44

总要为自己找点理由。 -dallas01- 给 dallas01 发送悄悄话 dallas01 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:34:02

怎么解释没有战争的地方占30%全部死亡率? -huntridge- 给 huntridge 发送悄悄话 huntridge 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:49:14

这个不在讨论之列。当时战后不久比较混乱,全球各种训练事故或维稳比较多,军队人数也远多于现在 (好像有5百万军人,不能肯定) -硅谷一水滴- 给 硅谷一水滴 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:52:43

不make sense。当时二战已经结束5年了 -huntridge- 给 huntridge 发送悄悄话 huntridge 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:54:27

柏林空运刚结束,这也是朝鲜战争中美军空军主力一直在欧洲不敢动的原因,53年也是因为美苏都不想打了, -laomian123- 给 laomian123 发送悄悄话 (78 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:58:43

按碑上数字,志愿军同联合国军的伤亡比例是1:7. 相信的举手。 -Uusequery- 给 Uusequery 发送悄悄话 (71 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:50:17

金1一枪就打下一架飞机。1:7已经保守了,应该1:30 -laomian123- 给 laomian123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:53:01

反正我是被korean war memorial上的数字搞糊涂了 -洗洗睡了- 给 洗洗睡了 发送悄悄话 (119 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:02:18

按战损比,联军总数要超过1千万。 -Uusequery- 给 Uusequery 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:15:57

-老生常谈12- 给 老生常谈12 发送悄悄话 老生常谈12 的博客首页 (183 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 13:10:05

1945年9月全部120万人。 -老生常谈12- 给 老生常谈12 发送悄悄话 老生常谈12 的博客首页 (253 bytes) () 03/27/2019 postreply 02:45:57

我们家一行五人去年年初在华盛顿的人二战以来的纪念碑都去了一次,多谢前辈的再次更新………… -青松站- 给 青松站 发送悄悄话 青松站 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/27/2019 postreply 10:29:56

气急败坏的样子说明自知理亏,还是蛮可爱的 -洗洗睡了- 给 洗洗睡了 发送悄悄话 (188 bytes) () 03/27/2019 postreply 11:30:52

站着说话不腰疼,放下碗筷骂娘的,中国从来不缺,为什么不早点投向美国呢,79后不少人会说…………打什么打了 -青松站- 给 青松站 发送悄悄话 青松站 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 10:59:14

韩军是大头。。。 -dallas01- 给 dallas01 发送悄悄话 dallas01 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:25:11

一种说法是,美军二战后就是把战区内外伤亡一起统计,本土死亡也算贡献二战。所以韩战时未加变通,照此计算 -硅谷一水滴- 给 硅谷一水滴 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 08:59:23

还是应该以国防部的doc为准,3.5万人。具体可能要去档案馆查了,应该不是classfied。好事的可以研究一下 -laomian123- 给 laomian123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:12:21

total hostile就是战斗中死的,别的死的归于non hostile -laomian123- 给 laomian123 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/26/2019 postreply 09:29:13

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