YG的饶舌歌曲是自由言论吗?

来源: tz2000 2016-09-28 13:48:35 [] [旧帖] [给我悄悄话] 本文已被阅读: 次 (5517 bytes)

下面的案例:最高法院认为 “Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.”

也就是说煽动或引起近期发生的非法行为,或者可能引起这样的非法行为,是不受第一修正案保护的。

事实上,判决中说到incite specific violence,和YG歌词完全相配,他在说的是非常具体的犯罪行为,针对特定的人群。

相对来说,Brandenburg讲的话根本就没什么出格。

Clarence Brandenburg, a 48 year-old television repair shop owner and leader of the Ku Klux Klan’s Ohio branch, held a rally in the summer of 1964 to articulate and celebrate his white supremacist ideology. Brandenburg proclaimed in front of local TV cameras: “if our president, our Congress, our Supreme Court, continues to suppress the white, Caucasian race, it’s possible that there might have to be some revengeance [sic] taken.” Indicating an impending Independence Day march on Washington, DC, the speech included such statements as, “the nigger should be returned to Africa, the Jew returned to Israel.” While Brandenburg was not evidently armed, other Klansmen at the rally were.

Brandenburg was found guilty of violating Ohio state law, which prohibited “advocat[ing] . . . the duty, necessity, or propriety of crime, sabotage, violence, or unlawful methods of terrorism as a means of accomplishing industrial or political reform,” as well as “voluntarily assembl[ing] with any society, group or assemblage of persons formed to teach or advocate the doctrines of criminal syndicalism.” His penalties included a $1,000 fine and a 1-10 year prison sentence.

In a landmark judgment, the U.S. Supreme Court overturned the conviction, contending that the Ohio law affronted Brandenburg’s freedom of speech, protected by the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Instead, the Court held: “Freedoms of speech and press do not permit a State to forbid advocacy of the use of force or of law violation except where such advocacy is directed to inciting or producing imminent lawless action and is likely to incite or produce such action.” Because the rally was not obviously intended to incite specific acts of violence, and because it was not likely to do so, government restriction of Brandenburg’s speech was unconstitutional.

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法律解释是看判决结果 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (928 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 14:00:47

也可以简单地问你一句 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (257 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 14:40:26

谢谢指点,抢匪里肯定有他的fan,或许所有中国人抢劫案后都可以要求警察查一下劫匪手机里的音乐? -tz2000- 给 tz2000 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:09:23

呵呵,Taylor Swift教唆我犯罪 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:30:33

Well, depends on the lyrics, and if you did what she said, right -tz2000- 给 tz2000 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 16:16:44

So sick! 如果有人威胁要抢劫你,你不许报警啊!因为你没有证据你已经被他抢了! -TreyG- 给 TreyG 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 07:23:13

这不算犯罪crime,但算不算criminal solicitation教唆罪?俺感觉象教唆 -ecolio157h7- 给 ecolio157h7 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 14:44:29

至少俺觉得如果真有非裔break in被抓后招供 -ecolio157h7- 给 ecolio157h7 发送悄悄话 (227 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:29:58

教你一个词,chilling effects -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (23 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:44:25

谢,学习了。这个寒蝉效应跟政治正确好像是互相冲突的 -ecolio157h7- 给 ecolio157h7 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 16:20:10

政治正确不是法律术语,是政治术语 -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 04:15:25

希望這個資料對您以幫助 -單身老貓- 给 單身老貓 发送悄悄话 單身老貓 的博客首页 (203 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 14:51:00

谢谢两位的意见。总体看来一定不是一个Simple and Easy Case -tz2000- 给 tz2000 发送悄悄话 (2391 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 15:54:07

已經告訴你沒有一個案件了,你還再做白日夢... -單身老貓- 给 單身老貓 发送悄悄话 單身老貓 的博客首页 (495 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 16:20:14

1.看宣扬的是不是仇恨; 2.看民主党喜不喜欢这种仇恨。 -smalleagle- 给 smalleagle 发送悄悄话 smalleagle 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 13:59:13

关键是法律是受到政治因素影响的 -Green_sky- 给 Green_sky 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 16:37:25

又是一個以中國式政治思考方式來總結美國司法系統如何運作的天才.... -單身老貓- 给 單身老貓 发送悄悄话 單身老貓 的博客首页 (50 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 17:34:20

理论上美国政法分离,政治不能立竿见影地干扰司法系统运作。但老猫你忽略了政治影响民意,从而影响法律。因为立法的是政客,不是司法机构 -废话多多- 给 废话多多 发送悄悄话 废话多多 的博客首页 (1519 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 04:41:03

这才是理性的思考。 法律裁决是由人来执行的,政治和财力都是影响其结果的参数。 -阿好- 给 阿好 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 13:17:52

关键是多大程度受影响。中国可能95%, 美国可能5% -柠檬椰子汁- 给 柠檬椰子汁 发送悄悄话 (62 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 17:54:52

这方面的例子举不枚举 -Green_sky- 给 Green_sky 发送悄悄话 (69 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 18:08:51

請您不要以偏概全... -單身老貓- 给 單身老貓 发送悄悄话 單身老貓 的博客首页 (196 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 04:10:09

你有自由恨中国,但请你不要在这里糊说。因为你在这里是提供法律帮助的专业人员。 -阿好- 给 阿好 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 13:26:46

当然是自由。油管上还有很多阿拉伯激进分子的演讲和洗脑视频。这些都是受美国宪法保护的。youtube完全可以按照法律保持播放。 -I751- 给 I751 发送悄悄话 I751 的博客首页 (59 bytes) () 09/28/2016 postreply 23:01:32

各位是否知道有个政府机构负责public safety? 是否记得FBI鼓励公众反恐举报,不必担心后果? -TreyG- 给 TreyG 发送悄悄话 (162 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 07:29:31

这样明显的带有种族歧视及怂恿对特定群体进行非法攻击的影片进行公开展示及贩卖,稍微有一点common sense的人都会觉得有问题 -lkk1080- 给 lkk1080 发送悄悄话 lkk1080 的博客首页 (457 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 08:44:55

谷歌youtube没少ban它认为有问题的视频,但是就是不ban这个明显挑动种族仇恨的视频。 -smalleagle- 给 smalleagle 发送悄悄话 smalleagle 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 15:29:02

我只知道如果是华人号召杀黑人,早就被抓了 -ahhhh- 给 ahhhh 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 09:18:24

+1 -jojo1971- 给 jojo1971 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 10/05/2016 postreply 20:35:58

1.看宣扬的是不是仇恨; 2.看民主党喜不喜欢这种仇恨。如果民主党喜欢这种仇恨那就没事。 -smalleagle- 给 smalleagle 发送悄悄话 smalleagle 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 09/29/2016 postreply 14:00:25

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