维珍航空事件,听听同机其他乘客怎么说,全面了解一下。

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http://shanghaiist.com/2016/03/18/virgin_atlantic_racist.php

She wasn't looking for her headphones she was trying to change seats before the flight took off and he told her not to (not a problem in my book as I moved seats shortly after). After an initial exchange they started arguing and it was more of a "did you hear what he said/she said to me" and she was swearing at him too". The airline staff told him that he would be removed from the plane if he continued to make trouble and did try to move him to another cabin but the other cabin was full. They told him that he need to calm down and leave her alone - he was acting aggressively but as soon as the plane took off he slept right through the the flight and never even left his seat which was at least 10 rows behind her. He also said he did have an illness but it wasn't a mental one. I was unable to hear a short exchange they had but she was equally aggressive at and swearing at him and they also told her to calm down because she was being disruptive - they both were. While he was out of order her account doesn't match up - she wasn't looking for her head phones as she was originally sitting at the other end of the cabin and that is not how the exchange started. To be fair when they spoke at one point I couldn't hear what they were saying and but I think the Virgin staff handled it well considering that thy didn't see any of it happen and but they were great for the rest of the flight. He did come across quite agressively in his manner but never looked as if he was going to be violent. It's just his voice was quite deep and he was a large man. And she gave back by yelling and shouting down the cabin. It was his fault arguing over nothing and while I can't confirm he wasn't racist (because I didn't hear everything) the way see is portraying it is comepletely different to how it actually happened - although I have only read this article and not her account so...

 

I am not saying he wasn't being rude - he was and he started the argument and it was totally unnecessary , not am I claiming to have heard their whole argument. I am just pointing out that the account that I read on this article contradicts to some extent what I witnessed. And yes they were both told that if they continued to argue that they would be taken off the plane because they were both being loud and swearing while the plane got ready for takeoff

 

For me this incident has highlighted several quite disturbing, and possibly global, social trends; the fact that in the plane (although sparsely occupied) only 2 onlookers offered support to deescalate, or balance the situation; the level of virulence and incitement whipped up and in hand the amount of media interest garnered by such an account of an incident of such minor magnitude.

An absolutely objective account is impossible to realise, which is why I have decided to post my account of the incident; although it will be different to everybody else’s, and will probably be different to what I actually observed (as is the nature of human memory); I was a close up witness and feel the need to contribute my version of events to help give anybody who is interested in the event a better picture and to also allow them to think about the evidence and subjectivity of such accounts and what conclusions they themselves should be willing to make based on these.

Before take-off. The lady moved back a few rows, just as an announcement was made that for take-off people should stick to their allocated seats. She was told to move back by the man and after a brief exchange was sworn at in an aggressive but quite covert way; he moved close towards her threateningly. No airline staff were nearby to witness. The lady reacted fairly; apparent shock and anger. The man then essentially baited her to repeat what he had said (‘oh really, what did I say then?’), whilst she was angered, and he allowed himself to appear composed, if not clearly amused. At this point the staff arrived, the lady was caught angrily swearing and urged to move away. This unfair interpretation by the authorities could have only increased the women’s distress and she tried to explain the situation but again in doing so ended up swearing quite loudly. There were young children around and this was the immediate situation that the airline crew had to deal with. At about the time the crew arrived to the scene the two passengers also stepped in and attempted to explain what had happened, in defence of the lady, aware of the misdirection by the man. The man then threatened one of the passengers, although this did not stop him from attempting to intervene, and as I understand he apologised to him (but not the lady) afterwards for his regretful behaviour.

 

 

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种族歧视本来就是比较主观的判断,如果华女陈述的事实无误,那个人没被控制起来就不对。 -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:20:04

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Catherine 的陈述明显有立场,但也陈述了空乘是不分青红皂白的要求两个人同时闭嘴,不是吗? -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:43:51

这是网上我看到的最新的说法: -互联网- 给 互联网 发送悄悄话 (4934 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:25:30

空乘不去安抚受害者,却要求受害人保持安静,难道不是和稀泥? -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:18:15

看来他不屑Read,也不屑了解事实。 -望自远方- 给 望自远方 发送悄悄话 望自远方 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:31:30

奇怪,如果有犯罪发生,难道不是先逮捕罪犯,而是先发动飞机? -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (119 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:37:45

正是应为没看见,所以才应该容许华女说话,如果看见了应该直接把白男赶下飞机。 -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:45:12

我以为,男女争吵,在未搞清前先站在女士一边不是应该的吗? -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 13:06:04

俺这是泛泛而谈。没特指案例。具体案例具体分析。 -sunlake- 给 sunlake 发送悄悄话 sunlake 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 13:39:24

如果是白女对华男呢??????? -望自远方- 给 望自远方 发送悄悄话 望自远方 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 14:48:33

空乘痛殴白女?所以空乘对待华女已经很客气了? -大文嚎- 给 大文嚎 发送悄悄话 大文嚎 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 15:03:49

全面了解事实。不应该么? -望自远方- 给 望自远方 发送悄悄话 望自远方 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 12:29:52

I support you -Christmas38- 给 Christmas38 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 18:44:51

白认为华人洗白也是经常的,这事里不就有个白人站出来替那位华女说话吗?其他同机的华男们呢? -望自远方- 给 望自远方 发送悄悄话 望自远方 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 14:46:33

不应该是说“其他同机的华人呢”吗?为何要特指华男? -helix22- 给 helix22 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 17:26:42

在那种情况下很大。 -polar_bear- 给 polar_bear 发送悄悄话 polar_bear 的博客首页 (353 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 19:53:21

这两个现场目击者都没有提到那个男的对华女说的带有种族歧视和侮辱性的谩骂, 这很能说明问题。 -每天都是好晴天- 给 每天都是好晴天 发送悄悄话 每天都是好晴天 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 21:39:41

難道就不可能是人家真沒聽到麼?第二個目擊者透露說男子有故意引女子重複他的侮辱詞彙的傾向,所以不排除他罵的時候是壓低聲音的 -spectre007- 给 spectre007 发送悄悄话 (95 bytes) () 03/19/2016 postreply 17:29:30

前面CATHERINE的描述明显有偏见,丝毫不提白男的种族歧视叫骂,说是没听见。后一个见证者的描述显得客观一点。 -又一农- 给 又一农 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 23:30:40

其实双方若只是吵架,对我们来讲是无所谓的。只是白男的种族歧视是绝不应该姑息的。 -又一农- 给 又一农 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 23:34:47

白男歧视欺负华女是确定的。华女如果真是没规矩换座还撒谎也是可恶的。两个都不是好饼。 -KTY- 给 KTY 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 23:46:46

白男种族歧视是不能姑息。华女的行为尤其撒谎却也是给华人丢脸招至歧视的原因啊。 -KTY- 给 KTY 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/18/2016 postreply 23:51:26

这华女也不省油,大概。 -Kaile- 给 Kaile 发送悄悄话 Kaile 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/19/2016 postreply 04:35:14

”大概“ -spectre007- 给 spectre007 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/19/2016 postreply 17:30:05

有同机的其他中国旅客说了,空服说过后面有很多空位子, 她们也都往后面去了。 不管怎样, -helix22- 给 helix22 发送悄悄话 (127 bytes) () 03/19/2016 postreply 06:13:39

感觉第二个描述更合理 -Cathy_Bay- 给 Cathy_Bay 发送悄悄话 Cathy_Bay 的博客首页 (221 bytes) () 03/19/2016 postreply 07:56:24

以后上飞机也要带录像的 -justfish- 给 justfish 发送悄悄话 justfish 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/19/2016 postreply 19:59:34

被骂中国珠了,还在这里装模做样似乎弄得自己很公正。真可笑。 -sm6577- 给 sm6577 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 03/20/2016 postreply 00:55:12

航空公司会调查的,澄清之前不喜欢维珍,至少这事处理的不好 -无法弄- 给 无法弄 发送悄悄话 无法弄 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 03/20/2016 postreply 04:42:45

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