哈佛法学院教授希拉里支持者Alan Dershowitz 的观点很有意思

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哈佛法学院教授希拉里支持者Alan Dershowitz 的观点很有意思


他说总统可以直接让FBI调查什么或不调查什么。这是行使宪法职权。根本与阻碍司法无关。他举了小布什的例子。小布什曾下令停止对他手下的调查,并赦免之。一切结束。搞得调查人员似无赖。这个人投票是投给了希拉里,是哈佛法学院教授,以前接手过OJ SIMPSON CASE, 做过最高法院的CLERK.

因为为总统可以赦免任何罪行。所以没有阻碍司法之说。

他也说了,你们要弹劾是根本不需要任何理由的,只要凑够了票数就行…… 老川就算直接命令comey不许查福临,查了就解职都不可能spin成阻碍司法公正。因为其性质和奥巴阻止已经明确触犯联邦移民法的非法移民一样,属于direct执法部门执法重点。唯一算阻碍司法公正的如果总统本人正在被调查

In 1992, then-President George H.W. Bush pardoned Caspar Weinberger and five other individuals who had been indicted or convicted in connection with the Iran-Contra arms deal. The special prosecutor, Lawrence Walsh, was furious, accusing Bush of stifling his ongoing investigation and suggesting that he may have done it to prevent Weinberger or the others from pointing the finger of blame at Bush himself. The New York Times also reported that the investigation might have pointed to Bush himself.

Yet Bush was neither charged with obstruction of justice nor impeached. Nor have other presidents who interfered with ongoing investigations or prosecutions been charged with obstruction.

It is true that among the impeachment charges leveled against President Richard Nixon was one for obstructing justice, but Nixon committed the independent crime of instructing his aides to lie to the FBI, which is a violation of section 1001 of the federal criminal code.

President Trump also had the constitutional authority to order Comey to end the investigation of former national security adviser Mike Flynn. He could have pardoned Flynn, as Bush pardoned Weinberger, thus ending the Flynn investigation, as Bush ended the Iran-Contra investigation. What Trump could not do is what Nixon did: direct his aides to lie to the FBI, or commit other independent crimes. There is no evidence that Trump did that.

The president can, as a matter of constitutional law, direct the attorney general, and his subordinate, the director of the FBI, tell them what to do, whom to prosecute and whom not to prosecute. Indeed, the president has the constitutional authority to stop the investigation of any person by simply pardoning that person.

Assume, for argument's sake, that Trump had said the following to Comey: "You are no longer authorized to investigate Flynn because I have decided to pardon him." Would that exercise of the president's constitutional power to pardon constitute a criminal obstruction of justice? Of course not. Presidents do that all the time.

 

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-dershowitz-history-precedent-and-james-comeys-opening-statement-show-that-trump-did-not-obstruct-justice/article/2625318

 

这个教授的简介

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_Dershowitz

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民主党就是故意装不懂,来糊弄老百姓 -mobileuser- 给 mobileuser 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/09/2017 postreply 21:43:09

民主党目的不在于哪一个事件是否真实,而是在于狂轰乱炸,造成乌烟瘴气的环境。 -happycow222- 给 happycow222 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/09/2017 postreply 21:59:32

克林顿是high crime被弹劾的吗?是因为他撒谎说自己和monica没有性关系被弹劾的。 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 07:51:23

公开质询都是些ethics 的问题,没有违法行为。这个过程只是起到政治和舆论的作用。关键是那些在 -笑薇.- 给 笑薇. 发送悄悄话 笑薇. 的博客首页 (109 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 04:34:53

是这样。Comey作证,trump损失的是信誉,是political capital。即使是总统,没有political cap -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 07:48:16

反对派眼里川普从来就没有政治资本, 所以也谈不上失去。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:31:46

自我安慰没用。国会的共和党一派都不敢理直气壮的挺trump,难道不说明问题吗?Trump想推行自己的计划,能越过国会? -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (74 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:50:50

没人说川普犯了什么罪,科米只是陈述事实,没必要到处捞稻草。 -ctgolfer- 给 ctgolfer 发送悄悄话 ctgolfer 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 04:55:30

不弹劾了?还有脸说别人到处捞稻草,人家只是拿出一篇文章 -victor1988- 给 victor1988 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 05:27:40

你缺脸吧,到处找脸。 -ctgolfer- 给 ctgolfer 发送悄悄话 ctgolfer 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 05:34:49

骂人可耻 -twoboys_mom- 给 twoboys_mom 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 07:20:08

按照有些人的逻辑, 08赦免了泄密的桥西,就是参与泄密了, 赦免贩毒的就是同伙了? -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 06:06:36

obama是在manning被定罪服刑后赦免的他/她,所以根本没有介入司法过程。美国总统有一个赦免罪犯的特权, -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (95 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 07:46:06

总统也有权命令停止调查 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:07:49

从法律上说是对的,但硬这么干,会造成丑闻,就像Trump现在的情况。 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:13:31

合法的是怎么是丑闻?逻辑不对。 所谓丑闻是反对派炒作的。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:29:00

因为这个调查是调查trump手下的人,进行到底,有把trump本人牵出来的可能。所有虽然他可以强行停止调查,但这么做,肯定 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (347 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:39:23

“可能”就是“莫须有”的意思。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 09:53:04

调查到底了以后才知道有没有问题,中断调查就会引人怀疑,这有什么不清楚的?!俄国是美国最大的敌人, -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (123 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 10:06:14

怀疑论 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 12:19:41

创粉们对hillary和其他左派的莫须有的加罪还少吗?什么pizzagate之类。就算FBI调查了出了结论不起诉Hillary, -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (180 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 12:48:29

非常有理有力的分析,侧面证明了Comey在国会的作证说的是事实。Comey深知trump可以命令停止调查,所以走了先手, -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (60 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 07:42:52

川普为了刺激他当众说出他川普没有什么可调查的? -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:06:28

trump自己在comey离职时还没被调查,这是comey早向国会通报过的,所有议员们都知道。comey已经说清楚了, -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (158 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:11:30

可惜MSM不知道啊, 所以ROBIO才说什么都leak, 就是川普没问题这事没有被leak。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:30:58

说明圈内人不喜欢trump,不leak对他有利的消息。 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 08:41:50

因为川普要drain swamp。 动了圈内人的利益。 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 09:52:32

trump要用自己的人fill the swamp。看他任用的那些人,有integrity的不多。 -浅路明- 给 浅路明 发送悄悄话 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 11:19:21

见仁见智 -落英如雪- 给 落英如雪 发送悄悄话 落英如雪 的博客首页 (0 bytes) () 06/10/2017 postreply 12:19:17

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